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swycas
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How did you get a really good vibrato? |
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I've been working on it for a while and it doesn't seem to improve--it's too fast, too tight, too uneven, and too out of control! I've worked
with a metronome but I can't seem to break through. I'm just wondering if there was one thing that got you over the hump from that nervous amateurish
vibrato to a real, expressive one?
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JFitzpatrick |
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I spent many hours practicing on my forearm before I ever tried it on the cello. Once I moved to the cello I had a nice even vibrato with good control. Try
going back to your forearm.
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Andrew Victor |
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I agree with your suggestion and it is what I demonstrate to students who have a similar complaint (or about whom I have a similar complaint). They may argue that the vibrato on their right forearm is different because the flesh they feel under their left fingers is soft. I counter that the finger pressure on the fingerboard should feel about the same in either case. People who squeeze their left hands and use their left arms incorrectly have this kind of problem and the feeling of vibrato they get practicing on the back of their right forearm can induce the proper sense of how it feels and works. Andy |
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robjeny |
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My teacher has told me that it takes "years" to develop a good vibrato. Mine varies from meeting his approval (or ignoring - which means it is
satisfactory), to his putting me back on the basic exercises he first gave me 6 years ago to start learning it. Once in a while I've gotten,
"That's a really nice vibrato" out of him. From a man who is not at all generous with positive affirmations, that was praise indeed. But then
again, it can go back to square one if I'm not attending to it enough. And as far as "expressive vibrato" which I understand to mean adjusting
the vibrato width and speed depending on the style and mood of the music - I'm still flailing.
It it were only a matter of will and intellect, some of these techniques or skills could be learned quickly. But many things on cello seem to take a long time, because you have to train the muscles and nerves in your hands and arms, as well as the brain. I think of when I was a ballet student as a child to young adult. Many techniques literally took years and years of constant work, practice, and striving to develop or even to execute at all. And that was when I was young. Learning to play the cello takes a lot of patience and perseverance. Robin
"Art isn't meaningless. It is in itself. It isn't in that it tries to make life less so."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Beautiful and The Damned. |
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FrozenYankee |
Here's a video... | #5 | ||
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Wxerby |
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Go to you tube and search for 'Alan Harris vibrato' and you should get what I thought was a great video from an excellent and very experienced cello
teacher on how he introduces vibrato. Although aimed at teachers I found it a useful supplement to what my teacher was saying. Other than the instruction from
my teacher, I find that the very best thing is seeing and hearing him demonstrate a wonderful vibrato. I agree, though, and my teacher said, it just takes
time, persistence and patience - like everything else to do with the cello! There also was a video on you tube by cello teacher Carey Cheney,
'"vomit" exercises for great cello vibrato'. Don't let the title put you off!! Be careful, though, of you tube. There is a lot of total
crap on there masquerading as instruction.
I found it interesting and illuminating how my teacher showed me that it is possible to use your bow to either enhance or undermine even decent vibrato left arm action. I won't even try to describe it as I'm sure I couldn't do it justice in any way that would be useful. I just noticed that I used the word "teacher" seven times in this message. Perhaps I am subliminally planting a hint!!
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four strings |
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swycas wrote:Well just as others have already said it is a matter of hours of practice and a teacher supervision but I could certainly add that the foundations to develope with time a good vibrato (not tight, not uneven, etc.) should lean on a proper arm movement. Perhaps it could help you this: Hold on your left hand a soft drink can (not a fizzy one!) in front of you as if you were to drink it. Now shake it up and down (very slowly) as if you wanted to mix its content. Observe your arm movement: when your hand goes down your elbow goes up and vice versa. Your wrist and hand keep relaxed and aligned with your arm, as a whole. While you're shaking it check your left shoulder and forearm, they both must be relaxed (use and feel the inertia the movement of the arm-can produces to perpetuate and stabilize this repetitive movement). Once you understand it try doing the same as above without the drink can (shape your left hand as a C as if you were holding it still) and speed it up (keep your shoulder down, your forearm relaxed). Reduce steadily the width of the movement. Note that the elbow width movement becomes considerably shorter than the hand one, very subtle, but still can be seen. Now you must translate this kind of movement with your hand going up and down your cello fingerboard (remember not to tense -not to stiff- wrist and hand)
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swycas |
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Thanks everyone, for your suggestions. I've been working on vibrating for two or three years now, so I think I understand the foundations--and when
I'm just working on vibrato exercises I can get a pretty nice sound going. (Sometimes, even beautiful.)
But it's a whole different animal trying to get a beautiful vibrato in a piece, especially when you're dealing with shifts, bowing, rhythms, dynamics and all the rest. That's when my vibrato turns ugly. So I'm wondering if there's any particular thing that helped you make that transition--from vibrato exercises to integrating it in a piece. |
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celloswin |
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I'll tell you when I get there.
Seriously, it takes time and practice under the tutelage of a good teacher, who can assess what you might be doing wrong if it is outside of normal mechanics of the basic motions. Ultimately, however, I think that we all have to find our own way on that one. The best teachers seem to know that and will only "assist" if they see something that is egregiously out of whack. Oftentimes, too much "advice" actually does more harm than good, especially if it comes from someone who has not actually seen you play or is unqualified to assess what might be wrong. Cullen |
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cellojoan |
Alan Harris video | #10 | ||
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This is the first time I ever heard that depending on what position you are vibrating in, it requires different muscles or muscle groups. I like Mr.
Harris' video and can't wait to try it. I had/have a bad vibrato - tight and too fast. I have been working on loosening up and there are hints that
it is happening. Thanks for this link.
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| How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/06/09 22:36:57 | swycas |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/06/09 22:47:39 | gamera99 |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/07/09 05:21:45 | JFitzpatrick |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/07/09 08:37:22 | Andrew Victor |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/07/09 08:56:13 | robjeny |
| Here's a video... | 11/07/09 13:53:16 | FrozenYankee |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/07/09 17:24:23 | Wxerby |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/08/09 07:54:54 | four strings |
| Re: How did you get a really good vibrato? | 11/08/09 12:47:11 | swycas |
| How to obtain a good vibrato | 11/08/09 15:08:50 | celloswin |
| Alan Harris video | 11/08/09 16:53:26 | cellojoan |